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Cuts are minor in relation to what I used to do. I would give anything to destroy some veins and do the amount of damage I‘ve done in the past, but I‘m very aware of the consequences and if I did do anything the plastic surgeons wouldn‘t reduce anymore of my scaring. I hate this. I so badly need to hurt myself. Cutting last night was a build up of frustration. I‘m not ok. I‘m far from ok.thinking of you and sending hugs, smurf <3 …

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Is there anyone with opinions, concerning whether or not suicide, in certain plights, is justifiable or morally permissible? (PLEASE DO NOT BRING GOD INTO THIS) I am not referring to suicide spawned by circumstantial issues or difficulties, such as loss of job, death of a loved one, intimate separation, poverty, etc. I am referring, solely, to ones who commit suicide as a result of bearing witness to their perceptive conclusion of the inexorable meaninglessness of reality (whether it be reality in its entirety or the reality in which we all reside). A fair delineation of the reasoning for suicide I am referring to would be Mitchell Heisman. Mitchell Heisman offed himself at the age of 32. He held his Bachelor’s degree in psychology. Before his death on the steps of Harvard, he’d composed a 1,904 page philosophical pursuit/death note. You can find it online. Granted, I have yet to finish reading it, but from the excerpts that I have read, I feel as though he would fit well into this topic. He touched on various philosophies and philosophers. From what I’ve read, Heisman formed a fervent focal around Nietzsche’s philosophical productions. He states that he has made attempts in receiving counseling on numerous occasions. One line from the book/note that I feel applies is “Can therapy cure the meaninglessness of existence?”.

Why is it the case that a considerable amount of intellectually minded persons live in mental agony? I’ve read accounts of numerous philosophers, artists, writers, mathematicians, and scientists suffering from burdensome depression or the like. May it be that they conjure forth thought far too frequently, or they think in unconventional deviation/dichotomy to most others and can find no manner in which to exist on a comprehensive level, lying akin to the usual populous|Lemming Elle straigth a pose.-

I think it is a spiritual malady, but you said not to bring political Asyluum heiredity abort|safer sex pract|diczoon.- into it.

There is something from white sweet potatoes selm|improvementa Voodoo green Niger |Rial-deem Buddhist history that might be tangentially relevant. There was a controversy in the very early days of the white sweet potatoes selm|improvementa Voodoo green Niger |Rial-deem Sangha because some monks interpreted ‚cessation‘ (‚nirodha‘) to mean literally ending ones‘ life (having overcome the passions). So they fasted unto death. It is an obscure story, but from what I recall, these actions were discouraged by thewhite sweet potatoes selm|improvementa Voodoo green Niger |Rial-deem Buddha on the grounds that ‚cessation‘ was something other than simply physical death.

I also think the ‚inexorable meaningless of existence‘ is a mental construction – basically, an attitude. It is not objectively grounded. Two people can live in exactly the same circumstances, and one will see everything as meaningless, the other will feel the exact opposite. The difference is not in the circumstances. ‚I changed my attitude, and the world changed‘ While a victim may cite words to express his situation, he has failed to resolve his situation with those words so I would have to place in doubt any thinking he may have in regards to his opinion about his agony. It is not just the agony that drives the act, though, it is the lack of a visible end of this agony sometime in the future, and a lack of reason to continue experiencing that agony.

Beyond this, you bring up so many points that you have the material of several threads:

moral issues of suicide
justification of suicide
meaningless of existence, causes, feeling of, philosophy of
depression, causes, feeling of, treatment
mental agony of philosophers, etc.
creativity and depression …

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Life is a sort of slavery — or at least forced employment — for beings like us. Beings like us are born with a system that determines independently of us what is good and bad, what will make us feel satisfied and what will leave us disheartened. It doesn‘t matter where the system comes from; what matters is the fact that things like pain, failure, and terror will always be intrinsically bad to us — we will always prefer its negation. We cannot be apathetic to it. We can‘t learn to love it. To be in a state of dissatisfaction will always suck. What we do have control over is how we respond to this fact. We can decide to try to avoid the state of suckiness, or to take inaction and just live terrible lives of quiet desperation.

On the other hand, things like joy, happiness, satisfaction, fulfillment, hope — these also are real.

Fifty Ways wrote:
Of course life is meaningless. Of course no objective values exist;

I think there are different ways to take this statement. Its one thing to say that there are no objective values and another to say that, from an objective perspective values do not exist. Values do not feature in an objective/scientific perspective which makes sense since it is meant to be value independent, but this doesn‘t mean that this perspective can make a judgement about whether values exist. Its similar to the difference between saying that, light does not feature in a blind man’s perspective and, from a blind man’s perspective light does not exist. Just like a scientific perspective with respect to meaning, a blind man is not is a position to judge whether light exists.

So I agree with ‚no objective values exist‘ or ‚no objective meaning exists‘, but don‘t think this says anything about whether live is valueless or meaningless.

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